Review-Roundup: CROSS ANGE 21, Aldnoah.Zero 20

[HorribleSubs] Cross Ange - 21 [480p].mkv - 00002HAHAHAHAHAHA… oh wait, she’s serious… Sure, she’s a girl after all. OF COURSE her most vulnerable moment had been her girlfriends sort-of not liking her hairstyle during a little party… while she got trained to become a soldier surrounded by other soldiers who saw combat and could die every day, mind you.

This time I review:

Cross Ange 21: Ange escapes with the help of Sala but it turns out she also needs the help of Momoka and Tusk (read: they needed to sacrifice themselves). Meanwhile, Chris fulfils the asshole-ratio of a typical Cross-Ange-episode just fine.

Aldnoah.Zero 20: Slaine continues to stop the shit from hitting the fan – and seems to lose control of the situation. On the other hand, Inaho does… stuff.

Cross Ange 21 Review:

[HorribleSubs] Cross Ange - 21 [480p].mkv - 00005Uh, wait, what…? Where the hell did that come from?! Maybe Embryo should talk about Nietzsche’s Ubermensch-theory while he’s at it. Or he could just reference the movie Zardoz in some way.

If you’d tell me that a penguin had directed this episode, I would believe you. You know why? Because the direction in this episode sucked. There isn’t a single moment in this entire episode that stays with you – despite the drama. This episode rushes from point A to point B and then something else happens which leads to that other event that connects point B with point D and so on and so forth. The pacing is fast, the stakes are there and the episode has some plot to burn through. And yet… nothing of it works.

I mean, the first thing is that the worldbuilding in this episode is just stupid. All of a sudden Libertus can just attack that Dawn-Tower with a couple mechas because Salia’s stupid squad is the only defense the tower has…? That doesn’t make any sense! A few episodes ago, Jill proposed a strategy involving a distraction because they obviously can’t directly attack the Dawn Tower where Embryo and the super-dragon Aura are. Sure, she was a douche there when she planned to straight-up sacrifice the Dragon-people as they turn into a distraction for the real attack but it did establish some ground-rules for the finale. That’s what that little scene established: Libertus can’t attack Embryo on its own. And yet here we are watching an episode full of small-number-mecha-battles that make any notion of strategizing seem unnecessary.

The whole logic behind the battles doesn’t make any sense. That dragon-princess with her two friends help Ange escape and then attack Salia’s squad which has more mechas – but then are surprised that they aren’t able to win this fight. There’s no strategy involved here. Sala just helped Ange escape and literally said something along the lines of “Hey, while we’re here… let’s try attacking the Dawn Tower and tack back Aura.”. It would’ve been worse if this plan (or rather that lack of one) would’ve worked out for her but still… what a stupid thing to do! And she sticks around long enough to help out during a later scene after she had called for a retreat predictably.

The battle-sequences in this episode are just a mess because of how confusing they are. Sure, there’s exposition in this episode explaining the setup of the battle but emotionally it doesn’t feel right how those couple mechas are already fighting in the vicinity of the Dawn Tower where the ultimate prizes, Embryo and Aura, are. The whole setup sort-of feels like a finale but both the episode-number and the lack of spectacle indicate that this isn’t the finale. This episode pushes for one confrontation after another without ever clearly adding the dramatic weight of a genuine finale.

But the confrontations in the second half do try to create some drama but fucking hell… All of them are cheesy and the confrontation with Chris is hilarious in addition to that. Let’s talk first about Ange’s escape, though. First of all, thanks to poor direction the series is too often cutting away from Ange dealing with Embryo-controlled zombies for that to ever really feel tense. The next thing is that once again the logic behind the whole thing is forced and stupid. Ange knew that Momoka could be controlled by Embryo and still took no precautions when she fled together with Momoka alone on Tusk’s jetbike. And then you get this scene between Ange, Tusk, Momoka and Embryo.

The first thing you notice of course is that the animation had been rushed. It doesn’t look very pristine, if you know what I mean. You clearly can see the shortcomings of where the animation is incomplete or shoddy. There are cheap-feeling moments like when Embryo shoots Momoka and Tusk since the shot-wound is in the same place and looks the same in both cases. The animation-team is clearly cutting corners here. And remember the last time it seemed like the animation wasn’t up to snuff? It was the semi-finale of the series, another moment where the animation should’ve been in top-form. Really, it feels like the animation-team behind this series has a certain limit and genuine and necessary spectacle is beyond it.

The scene itself was cheesy as hell, though. Everything involving a montage to explain a character’s train of thoughts is, I guess. Momoka just snapping out of her zombie-trance is simply stupid. It’s the sort of cheap writing that hopes the audience is more interested in wish-fulfillment than genuinely smart writing. I can imagine the sort of bullshit that went through the writer’s head as he wrote that scene “Momoka is a beloved character at this point so her being controlled by Embryo like this will be very dramatic – but then she will snap out of it thanks to Ange and she WILL sacrifice herself in order to save Ange. I bet people will love that turnaround but then be sad again when she sacrifices herself!”. Except that isn’t where the scene ends which is just another stupid mistake to make (and one a lot of other people aside from the script-writer should’ve rectified… or it was their mistake to begin with and the writer in question had a better idea for that scene). Now there’s a confrontation between Tusk and Embryo where Ange HAS NO AGENCY. For fuck’s sake, this series is about Ange! Why the hell is she the most useless character in this episode?! Why does Tusk have to end up being the hero in this scene?! And even beyond that: We JUST GOT a sacrifice-scene with Momoka and now we get ANOTHER fucking sacrifice-moment RIGHT AFTER THAT?! I… Seriously, this is TRULY bad writing. There’s SO much wrong with that scene from a writing-standpoint.

And there’s the confrontation with Chris which is truly one of the series’ funniest moments. Chris explaining her motivation for why she felt like her friends didn’t value her enough is SO childish and petty (considering she’s trying to kill her former friends currently) that it really borders on becoming a parody of itself. Chris wanted to have a certain hairstyle but when one of her friends suggested she could get a different hairstyle because her present wasn’t meant for her current hairstyle, she begins to suspect that her friends don’t care about her. Talk about First-World-problems, right? Especially since this innocent, girlish rivalry/friendship that ended up escalating has NOTHING to do with the actual setting the characters find themselves in. The truth is that none of these girls grew up normally and turning Chris’ moment of truth into the most stereotytpical and girly moment of contention imaginable is just funny and nothing more.

And you can add another hamfisted story- and plot-device to the mix: death. This series, much like the start of the series, is killing off characters left and right – except the series clearly doesn’t have the budget or time to sell those deaths in a visual way. Nope, it tries to sell it by relying on the audience’s ability to give a shit… which I definitely did not in this episode. Also, Chris killing off a young, uninteresting pilot is the exact same dramatic move the start of the series pulled when it tried to turn Ange into an anti-hero. It was cheap the first time around but at least the series added some gore to the whole thing. What we got here was all the cheap stuff except the spectacle trying to sell it regardless. And I guess, you could say that about the whole series in general.

Episode-Rating: 4.0/10

Aldnoah.Zero 20 Review:

[C12] Aldnoah Zero - 20.mp4 - 00005Sure, because it’s all about you, isn’t it? Go forbids anything would be a mere coincidence and would’ve happened with or without you anyway! … Slaine is such an unpleasant character…

This series has always been pulling its punches. Even in the first half the series never had these moments where shit got real – well, except the semi-finale, that is. This second half had this one moment of genuine confrontation during the semi-finale and when it had been time to establish the consequences of the event… the series just pulled its punches again. It went back to the old routine of establishing a plot of inconsequential little adventures that felt like a odyssey whose point is to stop being an odyssey but it’s an odyssey that would end only once the series would wish it to end. In the first half that format was more forgivable because both the Inaho-storyline and the Slaine-plotline were about isolation and figuring out what should be done next. The second half isn’t about that – but it’s still using the same kind of thinking in terms of how it paces the whole thing. Worse than that, without the thematic support, the series pacing just renders the plot pointless.

I mean it: The plot of this show is simply pointless. What happens in this show hasn’t led to any consequences. Just remember what had happened in the semi-finale and now remember how the second half started: You will see how the series actually did everything imaginable to minimize the consequences of its first big confrontation. Everyone survived, somehow both sides managed to escape before dealing with the aftermath and the result of the whole thing became “Yep, that happened.”. And from there, the series clearly established this very clear line between the two sides of the conflict. There was no chaos or intrigue going on. The series just turned the whole thing into two separate plot-threads.

And let’s remember what the actual point of this second half is currently: It’s about two dudes in love with the same girl fighting over her while she remains incapable of influencing said conflict. The real princess is just a token for these two dudes. At least, the series doesn’t do a lot to show Inaho being much better than Slaine in that regard even if he has fewer monologues to talk about that topic. And I’ve already mentioned in previous reviews how I hate the role the fake-princess is playing in all this (again, the episode shows how miserable she is, of course, without a man by her side).

The world-building is once again in trouble for not doing its job. In the last episode Inaho & Co found themselves in trouble as they suddenly had to deal with multiple Martian Kataphrakts (you know, the sort of simplistic strategy a child would come up with) and this episode resolved it by showing us how a few unimportant characters got killed while the important ones managed to get rescued by the Deucalion. The Vers-Empire had won the day which… is great, I guess? The episode talks about newly gained territories but what does that even mean? And the Earth-forces order the Deucalion to take part in a new offensive. I could just shrug in reaction to these developments. The series clearly doesn’t bother with consequences on a character-level but it’s much worse when it comes to the setting. 20 episodes in and I can’t tell you how close the Vers-Empire is to conquering Earth. You remember those first couple episodes where it was made clear how the Vers-Empire just launched this blitzkrieg of landing fortresses on Earth and how the Earth-forces seemed to be losing every battle? Yeah, around 20 episodes later it seems like we’re led to believe that the Martian forces are STILL in the process of invading and that the Earth-forces are a foe that CAN hold its own against the Vers-Empire. The series started out with the notion of an invading enemy that pointlessly started a war that it cannot lose. And yet here we are watching battle after battle without ever seeing a decisive one. This series just doesn’t pay attention to the big picture of its setting despite wanting to seem epic.

Slaine’s plot is once again the more interesting one but considering what happens in this episode, I would say, this series is doing too little too late. The real princess regaining her memories and the fake-princess finding out that Slaine had been lying to her about her sister’s condition should’ve been story-beats that should’ve been addressed a LONG TIME ago. After all, it’s the stuff that happens after that which is interesting as the fact that those things could happen is quite predictable.

I’m worried about Inaho’s storyline, though. Let’s assume that his need to save the princess is romantic in nature. Even if it isn’t, the problem is still the same: Inaho doesn’t show emotions. The only reason why I would think Inaho’s caring deeply about the princess is that some side-characters said something like that in the first half and then there’s the semi-finale of course. It’s not like these two characters had a great chemistry during the first half. Actually, Inaho is far too passive emotionally to have chemistry with ANY character. And his struggles this season are the result of his cyber-eye… but said cyber-eye is also a power-up which doesn’t turn this into the most compelling kind of character-arcs. His characterization is simply too weak to carry this show in a lead-role. We get tons of Slaine-monologues about him worrying how he lies a lot and why he doesn’t want to lose the love of the real princess. Meanwhile, Inaho has nothing of that sort. In fact, it seems like the series goes out of its way to make him seem even more like an autistic super-soldier.

The series’ portrayal of Inaho is dehumanizing and yet they want to sell a romantic motivation for his character. That just sounds like a ton of ideas that haven’t been edited to become a cohesive whole. A large part of writing is to possibly let go of stuff you actually like in order to create cohesion and focus. Inaho seems too ambitious for what the writers are actually capable of within the confines of the story they want to tell. Just take a great movie like ‘John Wick’, an action movie, where the main-character ends up being very close to being all-powerful. Inaho’s the same. But the movie’s plot is so tight and the story’s so straightforward, the power of the main-character becomes a sort of engine for the movie. The power that should make us question the logic of the movie leads to suspense of disbelief because the audience understands why the main-character’s doing this and what he’s capable of. What’s left is just to have great action-set-pieces and a great theme. But with Inaho we neither have a deep understanding of his motivation nor do we have a clear understanding of what he’s capable of. Therefore Inaho is unable to drive the plot forward.

In the end nothing of that matter as the actual plot is already problematic enough. It’s the semi-finale… I always come back to that because it’s the only time the series hasn’t pulled its punches and just turned a dramatic confrontation into a slaughterhouse. It nicely underlined the pointlessness of the whole conflict that the leaders of both sides ended up getting killed and the only survivor didn’t get what he wanted. But the second half has reset the stage and this new stage has been less interesting than the first if not necessarily worse. It’s obvious in many ways that this series is starting to get into finale-territory and the way this series is paced I feel like the series is gunning for a genuine second season. This series feels like one that begs to have more space for more stuff. I mean, drama-wise the series simply hasn’t set up any sort of spectacle that would qualify as an end of a series. And considering how Martian Kataphrakts and Inaho’s eye are handled in this series, this series has a tendency for a battle-shounen-esque power-based hierarchy where you can always up the ante for tension and action. It would be better if the series would just end this season but I wouldn’t put it past this one to have a second season.

Episode-Rating: 5.0/10

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Posted on March 2, 2015, in Aldnoah.Zero, Anime, Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryū no Rondo, Reviews and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 12 Comments.

  1. Well… could be worse. Maybe does two will come back by some bullshit explanation.

    Also you forgot the other hamfist subplot with the dragon lady and the loli, that seemingly implies the loli will have “change of heart” or at least plot against Embryo.

    The pink hair lady losing the children… again.

    Also it was weird Embryo needs to kill himself to teleport to another location, or something along the lines of him not being able to be at two locations at a given time.

    Finally, we know Embryo is essentially playing in God mode, but it is kinda of funny he can manipulate all mana humans like essentially a child playing with his toys. I don’t think the resolution to his demise will be believable.

    But to be fair [too late]. I don’t think we’ve touched rock-bottom yet. Maybe if we’re lucky they’ll not waste the next episode just putting together their next plan with the dragon people… right!?

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    • “Also you forgot the other hamfist subplot with the dragon lady and the loli, that seemingly implies the loli will have “change of heart” or at least plot against Embryo.”

      You mean that moment where Riza says something like “Poor little girl, you don’t even know that your brother has killed your father.” or something like that? Maybe she’ll find some sort of redemption but really… who cares? I don’t even know why that character is still around. They might as well replace all her dialogue with fart-noises and we would get the same amount of characterization. The series doesn’t do anything with this character.

      “The pink hair lady losing the children… again.”

      *shrug* Well, Embryo could just revive them… again.Hmm, now that I mention it… couldn’t this turn into an excuse for why Tusk and Momoka won’t stay dead as well?

      “I don’t think the resolution to his demise will be believable.”

      What are you talking about ^^ ? I believe the series has thoroughly established that this heap of metal called Vilkiss is capable of ANYTHING as long as Ange wishes for it hard enough… well, that and when it’s convenient for the plot.

      “Maybe if we’re lucky they’ll not waste the next episode just putting together their next plan with the dragon people… right!?”

      The thing that worries me right now is whether the animation will be good enough for this finale. And this series has already played the death-card SO many times in this episode, I don’t know how they plan to top this in the finale.

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      • I’m just saying, that’s another thing that happened, and that also alluded to something happening from that side. I mean the pointless moment was more the token character dead.

        Yeah Vilkiss is this magic machine that’ll magically reappear from the bottom of that river. Still, I was more thinking along the lines of something unsatisfying being his demise, as something lame like being trapped between realities or having a change of heart. Now that’ll be preposterous.

        Does it need to be good for this anime? I expect a fanservicy ending. I mean even this “intense” episode also shoved fully nude woman. It’ll betray it’s nature not having that in some way. Though to be honest I more or less believie there’s going to be reboot type of ending or something pretentious like reality resetting and everyone having their ideal life. Like in Mirai Nikki. But who knows.

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    • “I’m just saying, that’s another thing that happened, and that also alluded to something happening from that side. I mean the pointless moment was more the token character dead.”

      Yeah, you’re right. I mean, that snark was more directed at the series for still keeping the character around than you rightfully pointing out that the series was indeed hinting at this future moment of possible redemption.

      “Still, I was more thinking along the lines of something unsatisfying being his demise, as something lame like being trapped between realities or having a change of heart. Now that’ll be preposterous.”

      You mean something like for example revealing that Embryo actually is still in love with Jill and her leaving him has led to his little hate-crusade and then one small heart-to-heart-talk between the two convinces Embryo to just die together with Jill and leave the fate of the world in Ange’s hands… ^^ ?

      “I mean even this “intense” episode also shoved fully nude woman. It’ll betray it’s nature not having that in some way.”

      Most certainly, I would say. The women in this series are more often running around scantily clad than dressed (and that’s not even counting their pilot-uniforms) and the fanservicy running-gag with Tusk has happened SO often that it has turned into a story-beat.

      “Though to be honest I more or less believie there’s going to be reboot type of ending or something pretentious like reality resetting and everyone having their ideal life.”

      Well, it is a world-type-anime after all. Of course the main-characters’ heroics lead to an apocalypse that somehow resets the world. The question will be how the series is doing this and what it wants to say with that.

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      • Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying.

        Yeah something sporadic, like the braid thing.

        “The question will be how the series is doing this and what it wants to say with that.”

        Given this context I’m expecting and unintended punchline. I personally believe the only way this could end in a dignified way for this series is to either have a really cheesy ending to the point of it being funny or a so incredibly pretentious twist like; having the mother of Ange reappearing and saying she faked her death to put this whole story into motion and make the whole thing seem more “clever” than it actually is.

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    • “Given this context I’m expecting and unintended punchline.”

      Hmm… the thing with world-type-animes is that the fate of the characters is closely tied to the mystery and fate of the world. But with Embryo as a villain and the series generally portraying Embryo’s world as a bad thing we already sort-of know what will get destroyed by the apocalypse. The thing I’m not sure about, though, is what this series thinks the endpoint of Ange’s character-arc is supposed to be. Previously the series had been hinting at this mundane scenario of her managing a café together with Tusk but… will the series go for that?

      And like you’ve said… the series will probably find some way to fuck it up and make the whole thing unintentionally hilarious.

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  2. The Ragna-mails always seemed to be the main concern, since the point of Jill’s plan was to avoid proper engagement with the Ragna-mails and use the DRAGONs as decoys to destroy them all in one go while Ange and co went after Embryo. The main goal was to rescue Ange but Sala wanted to be a chancer and take the opportunity, she might as well go for it lol. I agree that it wasn’t much of a plan, but I don’t think it was meant to be. Didn’t have much problems with Ange’s agency; she was still reeling from Embryo’s torture, crashed into water and had to be resuscitated, suffered another crash, plus no Villkiss or other weapons and needed support to walk. The creators putting her in that position? You could take them to task for that.

    Though I enjoyed the episode, yeah, I agree with what you’re saying, the writing, direction and dialogue detracted from the episode. The dialogue was narmy as all get out, like the Heiselberg (or Heisenberg) demon line. Though I need to go back and check if it was a mistake on the subber’s part; something about it seemed off. That being said, the Heisenberg reference kinda reveals the nature of Embryo’s powers. Way too out of place though. Then Tusk’s famous last words…….LOL. It was also repetitive and awkward in some places. Even for this series, it was jarring.

    But the killer was the exchange between Chris and co for the reasons you mentioned. Before that, I was getting behind Chris’s reasons at first. She’s always been clingy, spiteful and a hanger on who latches onto stronger people for comfort and protection, so I’m not surprised at her sticking with Embryo. I could even see her resenting Rosalie and Hilda for not caring about her the way she cared about them(see her wanting to donate her winnings to the two girls in ep 8), though she seems to have forgotten that Hilda took a bullet for her. But the reasons (the hair, them hogging the arcade machine) were so, so petty lol.

    I said this before, but the series gives weird reasons for chars’ motives when they could’ve used other reasons that are better and have been established in the series itself. Like you said, the majority of Norma didn’t have a normal childhood, they’re discriminated against and they’re child soldiers who fight to survive. You can infer from events in the series that this decimated Chris’s sense of self-worth, made her fearful of death, and made her desperate for protection and emotional comfort. But they didn’t want to go into that. I suppose you could say the petty reasons make her look even more damaged, but at the same time, it makes herself look utterly ridiculous.

    I know Cross Ange doesn’t take itself seriously. Sometimes, it even benefits from not taking itself seriously and it’s got genuinely funny moments (see eps 7 and 8). But I wish the show took itself seriously when it counted.

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    • “The Ragna-mails always seemed to be the main concern, since the point of Jill’s plan was to avoid proper engagement with the Ragna-mails and use the DRAGONs as decoys to destroy them all in one go while Ange and co went after Embryo.”

      But remember when Ange’s brother attacked Arzenal? There the humans did have their own military force and that’s why I’ve always assumed that the Dawn-Tower would’ve more of a defense-force than just the mecha-squad.

      “Didn’t have much problems with Ange’s agency; she was still reeling from Embryo’s torture, crashed into water and had to be resuscitated, suffered another crash, plus no Villkiss or other weapons and needed support to walk.”

      If the series had been the Cross Ange version of The Fugitive, then it would’ve been fine. But the series just rushed through the whole thing in the first half and in the second half Ange was just there to witness how Tusk and Momoka helped her escape by sacrificing themselves.

      “Though I need to go back and check if it was a mistake on the subber’s part; something about it seemed off.”

      Yeah, it could be that. If that were a better show, I would care enough to do the same thing but… this episode was already terrible enough as it was.

      “Then Tusk’s famous last words…….LOL.”

      Also funny how Embryo just stood there for that whole thing. Oh my god, the direction… it’s just SO terrible. That should be a tense but also tender moment but it sort-of feels like it’s unprecedented. Momoka had already sacrificed herself and a few seconds later he does the same stunt himself.

      “But the reasons (the hair, them hogging the arcade machine) were so, so petty lol. ”

      It was also hilarious how the other two girls’ behaviour in those flashbacks had been perfectly fine. But the voice-over narrative takes the cake of course as it actually makes Chris sound like the worst friend imaginable. She has NO sense of humour apparently and she has NO interest in having fun with her friends – but will complain about THEIR behaviour when they aren’t just praising her for how great she supposedly is.

      Actually everyone who fights for Embryo has a rather petty motivation. It’s all the kind of stuff that sounds somewhat understandable at first but if you really think about it you realize how selfish those characters are by entirely blaming other people for their problems.

      “I said this before, but the series gives weird reasons for chars’ motives when they could’ve used other reasons that are better and have been established in the series itself.”

      Yeah, it’s kinda weird how this series does world-building – especially when it comes to its characters. Ange’s princess-upbringing had been the same thing: Most of the time you would never think that she had such an upbringing and then all of a sudden she will behave in a very princess-like way (like when she had been okay with Momoka dressing her and in general how she just accepted it that Momoka was her personal maid… well, although Momoka’s idealistic characterization didn’t really help in that regard).

      Not only does the series not do a lot of world-building, the little it does isn’t even used to its full potential here.

      “But I wish the show took itself seriously when it counted.”

      Self-awareness is the keyword here. You can get away with a lot of ridiculous stuff if you can ground it by being self-aware. That and relatability. For example a series about a bunch of cats loving to eat carrots is stupid but if you explain why they do it and make the audience understand then something stupid like one cat saying it loves to eat hamburgers now a dramatic moment. It doesn’t matter how ridiculous something is as long as you’re consistent with the characters’ motivations and abilities.

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  3. TheRealWinston

    Naja, der Kampf Tusk gegen Embryo ist wohl einer der besseren Momente in der Serie. Vor allem weil Tusk mal zeigt, das er nicht nur eine Witzfigur ist.
    Und das Momoka sich von Embryos kontrolle befreit, naja, sicherlich billig, fällt aber unter die Kategorie “Standartanimeklischee: Bester Freund der Hauptfigur wird gedankenkontroliert und will Hauptfigur töten, Freund befreit sich aber durch Freundschaft”, von daher, könnte schlimmer sein.
    Und wegen Momokas tod: Nein….
    Und bei Tusk dachte ich mir nur: Also, die alten Leute sind wohl wirklich Terroristen und die Macher wollen wohl tatsächlich ein Ange X Hilda/Sala Ende.
    Aber wenigstens hat Tusk mal einen geilen Abgang hingelegt.
    Und ich würde mich nicht Wundern, wenn Tusk oder/und Momoka doch wieder auftauchen.

    Und Ange ist halt Nutzlos, weil sie den Villkiss nicht hat.

    Und das Chris sauer ist, dass ihre Freunde sie “gezwungen” haben, nur einen Zopf zu tragen: Ich würde mich nicht wundern, wenn ihn den nächsten Folgen, Hilda und Rosa sagen, sie haben das nur gemacht, weil Zola einen TwinTailfetisch hatte.
    Und da Chris hass und dergleichen wie eine Parodie wirkt, sind das nicht der gesamte Trupp der Rosendiamantenritter (kein Plan wie die noch mal heißen).

    Sonstige Gedanken zu den letzten Folgen:
    Embryo kann die Normas zwar nicht Gedankenkontrollieren, wie schafft er es dann aber, sie mit Gedankenkraft zu Foltern und doch ein wenig zu kontrollieren?
    Und irgendwie, hat mich Anges Folter und “Vergewaltigung” von Embryo, nicht wirklich gekümmert.
    Und wieso erkennen all die Normas, die Embryo folgen, nicht, das er alle mit ihnen schläft (scheinbar).
    Und wieso zur Höhle, konnte er Jill kontrollieren und wie lange hatte er sie eigentlich unter Kontrolle, die ganze Zeit?

    Was wollte Hilda eigentlich damit bezwecken, als sie mit Tusk “schlafen” wollte?

    Und Sylvia lebt immer noch (wehe sie stirbt keinen grausamen Tod) und wieso hat es ihr nichts ausgemacht, mit den anderen Normas zu leben?

    Und wo steckt eigentlich Misty?

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    • “Naja, der Kampf Tusk gegen Embryo ist wohl einer der besseren Momente in der Serie. Vor allem weil Tusk mal zeigt, das er nicht nur eine Witzfigur ist.”

      Ich muss sagen, das einzige, was ich in der Episode erinnerungswert ist, war der Moment, wo Chris ihre Motivation erklärt hat. Der Rest…? Einfach Mist… und nicht einmal aufgrund des Inhalts, sondern einfach weil die Regie so grottenschlecht war,die relevanten Szenen ordentlich zu präsentieren.

      “Und das Momoka sich von Embryos kontrolle befreit, naja, sicherlich billig, fällt aber unter die Kategorie “Standartanimeklischee: Bester Freund der Hauptfigur wird gedankenkontroliert und will Hauptfigur töten, Freund befreit sich aber durch Freundschaft”, von daher, könnte schlimmer sein.”

      *sigh* Mind-Control… yep, eines dieser Stereotypen, den es wahrscheinlich nur gibt, weil es ein etabliertes Hentai-Subgenre gibt. Und so Hentai-artig wie die beinahe-erotischen Momente dieser Serie wirken, wundert es micht nicht, dass wir so einen Moment zu sehen gekriegt haben. Du hattest bereits Embryos Folterszene und dann gab es dieses Zombie-Szenario – was die Episode mit der Würde einer Toilettenspülung behandelt hat. “As long as they’ve got it out of their system”: Das schien die Philosophie für die Regie hier zu sein.

      “Und bei Tusk dachte ich mir nur: Also, die alten Leute sind wohl wirklich Terroristen und die Macher wollen wohl tatsächlich ein Ange X Hilda/Sala Ende.”

      Die Serie hat Yuri-Momente, aber Ange selber scheint heterosexuell zu sein und ihr romantischer Partner ist Tusk. Daher glaube ich eher, dass die Serie versuchen wird, Tusk (und Momoka) wiederzubeleben. Ich meine, die Serie hat eh bereits etabliert, dass Tod nicht wirklich das Ende darstellt.

      “Und da Chris hass und dergleichen wie eine Parodie wirkt”

      Sicher, es wirkt wie eine Parodie, aber ob dies beabsichtigt war…? Ich glaube nicht.

      “Embryo kann die Normas zwar nicht Gedankenkontrollieren, wie schafft er es dann aber, sie mit Gedankenkraft zu Foltern und doch ein wenig zu kontrollieren?”

      Yep, gute Frage… ich denke nicht, dass es die Serie kümmert, dass dies keinen Sinn ergibt.

      “Und irgendwie, hat mich Anges Folter und “Vergewaltigung” von Embryo, nicht wirklich gekümmert.”

      Wirklich… warum?

      “Und wieso erkennen all die Normas, die Embryo folgen, nicht, das er alle mit ihnen schläft (scheinbar).”

      Just another thing that simply doesn’t make sense…

      “Was wollte Hilda eigentlich damit bezwecken, als sie mit Tusk “schlafen” wollte?”

      Einerseits wollte sie Tusks Unterstützung als sie Ange retten wollten. Andererseits sieht Hilda Tusk als ihren Rivalen, wenn es um Ange geht. Und dafür war sie bereit Tusk davon abzuhalten Ange nachzujagen auf eine sexuelle Art, incem sie ihm… uhm den Trieb nimmt, Ange derartig zu verfolgen. Natürlich ist Tusk ein ehrenhafter Ritter.

      “Und Sylvia lebt immer noch (wehe sie stirbt keinen grausamen Tod) und wieso hat es ihr nichts ausgemacht, mit den anderen Normas zu leben?”

      *shrug* Who knows…

      “Und wo steckt eigentlich Misty?”

      Wait, who…?

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        ““Naja, der Kampf Tusk gegen Embryo ist wohl einer der besseren Momente in der Serie. Vor allem weil Tusk mal zeigt, das er nicht nur eine Witzfigur ist.”

        Ich muss sagen, das einzige, was ich in der Episode erinnerungswert ist, war der Moment, wo Chris ihre Motivation erklärt hat. Der Rest…? Einfach Mist… und nicht einmal aufgrund des Inhalts, sondern einfach weil die Regie so grottenschlecht war,die relevanten Szenen ordentlich zu präsentieren. ”

        Chris Moment, war aber auch nur Erinnerungswürdig, weil er so lächerlich war. Und ich will auch nicht behaupten, das es nicht besser ginge. Aber im Vergleich zum Rest der Serie, ist er gut.

        ““Und bei Tusk dachte ich mir nur: Also, die alten Leute sind wohl wirklich Terroristen und die Macher wollen wohl tatsächlich ein Ange X Hilda/Sala Ende.”

        Die Serie hat Yuri-Momente, aber Ange selber scheint heterosexuell zu sein und ihr romantischer Partner ist Tusk. Daher glaube ich eher, dass die Serie versuchen wird, Tusk (und Momoka) wiederzubeleben. Ich meine, die Serie hat eh bereits etabliert, dass Tod nicht wirklich das Ende darstellt.”

        Wenn man aber teilweiße die “Fanbase” so ansieht, wollen die vorallem ein Ange x Hilda/Sala/Momoka/femaleHarem Ende. Und irgendwie, würde es mich nicht wundern, wenn es dann doch darauf hinausläuft. Oder noch besser Ange stirbt beim Endkampf (dann können wir sicher gehen, das niemals eine zweite Staffel erscheint). Und das Ange heterosexuell ist, die Serie ist im Kern sowieso schon ein Hentai, sicherlich würde es mich nicht wundern, wenn das auf die alte Pornodarstellung hinausläuft, alle Frauen sind sowieso Bi (einige müssen alt, die Freuden gleichgeschlechtlicher oder andersgeschlechtlicher Partner noch entdecken).
        Und das Tusk und/oder Momoka wiederbelebt werden, habe ich auch wo geschrieben.

        ““Und da Chris hass und dergleichen wie eine Parodie wirkt”

        Sicher, es wirkt wie eine Parodie, aber ob dies beabsichtigt war…? Ich glaube nicht. ”

        Du hasst irgendwie das ganze aus dem Kontext genommen, ich meinte noch, das Salias Blutrosenritter (der eine Trupp da, den sie für Embryo anführt) auch wie eine Parodie auf die Knight’s of the Villkiss wirken.
        Und ob es beabsichtigt war, lol, irgendwie glaube ich es schon (zumindest Salias Ritter).

        ““Embryo kann die Normas zwar nicht Gedankenkontrollieren, wie schafft er es dann aber, sie mit Gedankenkraft zu Foltern und doch ein wenig zu kontrollieren?”

        Yep, gute Frage… ich denke nicht, dass es die Serie kümmert, dass dies keinen Sinn ergibt.”

        Wie vieles andere in der Serie…

        ““Und irgendwie, hat mich Anges Folter und “Vergewaltigung” von Embryo, nicht wirklich gekümmert.”

        Wirklich… warum? ”

        Einfach weil Ange selber unsympatisch ist. Ok, das einzige was ich mir gedacht habe, was für ein Arsch Embryo ist. Aber Embryo ist als Bösewicht wieder so überzeichnet, das es auch irgendwie, wie eine Parodie wirkt.

        ““Was wollte Hilda eigentlich damit bezwecken, als sie mit Tusk “schlafen” wollte?”

        Einerseits wollte sie Tusks Unterstützung als sie Ange retten wollten. Andererseits sieht Hilda Tusk als ihren Rivalen, wenn es um Ange geht. Und dafür war sie bereit Tusk davon abzuhalten Ange nachzujagen auf eine sexuelle Art, incem sie ihm… uhm den Trieb nimmt, Ange derartig zu verfolgen. Natürlich ist Tusk ein ehrenhafter Ritter.”

        Du darfst nicht vergessen, sie wollte auch sichergehen, ob Ange und Tusk nicht doch Sex hatten. Und vielleicht wollte sie auch mal Sex mit einem Jungen haben (wobei, so wie sie Tusks Gemächt am Ende der wievielten Folge auch immer angefasst hat, würde ich es micht nicht wundern, wenn sie es doch schon mal mit einem Jungen trieb).
        Aber wenn sie wirklich seinen Trieb dadurch nehmen wollte, schlechter Plan funktioniert nur kurzzeitig aber er regeneriert sich und wird mit der Zeit nur stärker.
        Und weil Ange und Tusk immer gesagt haben sie hatten es nicht getan, naja Oralverkehr ist doch auch Verkehr. Und beim Vorspiel waren sie zumindest auch.

        ““Und wo steckt eigentlich Misty?”

        Wait, who…?”

        Prinzessin Misty Rosenblum, vom Rosenblum Königreich, welches die Administration über Arzenal hat, oder vielmehr hatte, welche mit Ange befreundet war/ist und selber zu Ange gesagt hat, das sie sich nicht vorstellen konnte das Ange wirklich eine Norma sei. Die eine die Ange half von Arzenal zu fliehen. Ernsthaft, dieser Charakter, hätte Potenzial gehabt. Wie so vieles in der Serie.

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    • „Chris Moment, war aber auch nur Erinnerungswürdig, weil er so lächerlich war. Und ich will auch nicht behaupten, das es nicht besser ginge. Aber im Vergleich zum Rest der Serie, ist er gut.“

      Hmm, mir haben da eher Szenen wie jene zwischen Hilda und Ange gefallen als sie von ihrem Trip zurückgekehrt sind und dann sind da noch die grotesken brutalen Elemente vom Beginn der Serie. Ich meine, es ist einer der besseren Momente, aber wie so oft ist die Regie in jenen Momenten so schlecht, dass dies einfach untergeht.

      „Wenn man aber teilweiße die “Fanbase” so ansieht, wollen die vorallem ein Ange x Hilda/Sala/Momoka/femaleHarem Ende.“

      Derartiges Shipping gibt es immer, aber in diesem Falle ist die Serie sehr sexuell in deren Präsentation. Die Beziehung zwischen Jill und Embryo und praktisch jede lesbische Beziehung in der Serie werden direkt dargestellt, aber Anges und Tusks Verhältnis ist ein klassisches „Will they, won’t they?“-Szenario. Dazu kommt noch, dass Tusk darauf besteht eine Art Zölibat einzuhalten. Dadurch wirkt die Romanze zwischen den beiden wesentlich unschuldiger und reiner als was der Rest der Serie präsentiert. Daher nehme ich an, dass die Serie damit klarmachen will, welche Art von Liebe ideal ist und es ist sicherlich nicht Hilda’s Umgang mit Sexualität.

      „Und ob es beabsichtigt war, lol, irgendwie glaube ich es schon (zumindest Salias Ritter).“

      Ich finde, die Serie macht bei weitem nicht genug, um eine Parodie zu sein. Es sind Ansätze dafür da, aber die Serie ist bei weiten nicht intelligent genug, deren Stereotype ordentlich zu parodieren.

      „Aber Embryo ist als Bösewicht wieder so überzeichnet, das es auch irgendwie, wie eine Parodie wirkt.“

      Wieder würde ich sagen, dass dies ein Moment war, der einfach nur krass wirkte und nicht wirklich irgendwas parodiert hat. Auch ist die Regie und das Skript in den jeweiligen Szenen nicht sehr überzeugend, was das Ziel einer Parodie unterstützen würde.

      „Und vielleicht wollte sie auch mal Sex mit einem Jungen haben (wobei, so wie sie Tusks Gemächt am Ende der wievielten Folge auch immer angefasst hat, würde ich es micht nicht wundern, wenn sie es doch schon mal mit einem Jungen trieb).“

      Hmm, eine derartige sexuelle Neugier kann man Hilda’s Charakter zuschreiben, aber ich denke nicht, dass die Serie da genug getan hat, um sowas vom Ton der Story her normal erscheinen zu lassen. Dieser Tage hat Cross Ange nur Momente von zynischem Realismus, welcher meistens nur für derartig typische Kommentare von Ange genutzt wird. Ich glaube eher, dass es hier auch um Hildas Unterstellung ging, dass Tusk nur Ange nachjagt, weil er sie ficken will. Deswegen eben, wie ich gesagt hat, will Hilda ihm seinen „Trieb“ nehmen, um ihn von Ange fernzuhalten. Dadurch geht es bei Hildas Sex-Angebot mehr darum, Ange zu beschützen als ihre eigene Neugier zu befriedigen.

      „Die eine die Ange half von Arzenal zu fliehen. Ernsthaft, dieser Charakter, hätte Potenzial gehabt.“

      Ha! Eine bessere Serie hätte den Charakter genutzt, um zum einen Anges Charakterisierung zu vertiefen und zum anderen ein wenig „World-Building“ vorzunehmen. Aber sie war nicht mehr als ein plot-device am Ende…

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